Kosta Makreas – Founder, ET Let’s Talk & The People’s Disclosure Movement
interviewed by your curator, Zen Benefiel for One World in a New World
And now for something completely different… with an invitation to engage Star Family visitors further through ET Let’s Talk.
We’ve been diving deep into the lives of those in the trenches in business, organizational development and systems transformation in a variety of ways. This conversation moves to a whole different world of experience, invitation and planetary advancement.
Kosta Makreas brings a new dimension to the conversations, perhaps in some ways apocalyptic to our audience, from having a professional career in software engineering to interacting with Star People. ET Let’s Talk is a collection of people from around the world, some hosting CE-5 events, that gather for the specific purpose of human initiated contact.
As two Hoosiers reuniting, we launch into some familiar territory for us. Both of us have been active in Ufology for decades, though Kosta has taken a front seat, so to speak, with his efforts to build, organize and support a vast network of folks who want to make contact with Star People, which is their preferred nomenclature according to Kosta.
What may seem odd or peculiar or even scary to some has been lifelong experiences for others. Kosta shares how his interest began as a youth and the challenges he faced growing up in a period when it wasn’t too popular to talk about engaging aliens, let alone calling them Star People. His shares a synchronistic experience his wife had while he was away on a CE-5 week-long campout.
If you haven’t heard the term, CE-5 refers to human initiated contact with Star People. Kosta’s work began with Steven Greer and quickly evolved to developing contact groups around the world on his own. ET Let’s Talk and The People’s Disclosure Movement has been growing for several years now.
Our chat moves into discussing the People’s Disclosure Movement, taking the notion of disclosure and putting it in the hands of the people instead of governments that have not been able to announce their knowledge.
Research and study is always necessary, and Kosta mentions a study that includes over 4,000 accounts from around the world. It was performed by an organization called FREE, under the title of Beyond UFOs – The Science of Consciousness and Contact with Non Human Intelligence.
We discuss Kosta’s work with ET Let’s Talk (https://etletstalk.com) and the numbers of people involved. You might be surprise, though perhaps not.
If your curiosity is sparked, you’ll enjoy the conversation for sure. We only scratch the surface of the work and how it affects those involved. For decades it wasn’t popular to speak up or out about this topic and now folks seem to be flocking toward their own discovery and engagement.
Make sure to check out the description below the video for more information and links.
State of Affairs or Affectation in Ufology Updates
We’ve all been aware of the recent advances in some areas of Ufology updates. Some embrace it and some are still suspicious. As much as we may not like to admit it, To The Stars Academy is raising the bar or at worst raising awareness in the public view. As with any newly formed group with suspicious characters there are naysayers and supporters by the score. The battle to bring information to the public has taken on a new look on and off stage.
The one thing that TTSA has done, though, it generated an explosion of interest in the UFO phenomena in the main stream news and public eye. Ufology updates continue to develop. Proof and truth will come out eventually, or not, yet the boost in exposure could bode well for the Ufology community IF there is a meeting of minds and some sort of demonstrable collaboration beyond TTSA. One of their first publications sets the stage for their dive into disclosure.
Hard and soft approaches are both necessary in the adjudication of experience and material evidence. The hard side is the nuts and bolts approach driven by evidence and ‘proof’ that seems to pass all the usual tests. The soft side is more delicate as it is subjective, with little evidence other than the ability to articulate effectively, driven by the desire to share for multiple reasons. The former sits well with materialists and the latter, not so much.
Ufology is known for its mysteries and mysterious characters, some with better reputations than others, yet they all play the game of notoriety and temptation. Everyone wants you to believe their story and many seem to be in conflict. They sometimes proffer data, details or disclosure as ‘exclusive’ in an attempt to get folks on the edge of their seats waiting for more.
Social Media has become a place of open denial and deep discussion. The marketing gurus have a field day with the unsuspecting public. It still seems like a contest for who can build the biggest fan base. This one or that one is always posting something to demonstrate their knowledge and research capability, though many assumptions and conjecture takes place as well. Sometimes posts prove noteworthy.
The reports of secret space programs and interaction with ‘alien’ races is another aspect that appears to be producing more incredulity than believe-ability in the field. The reports have provided certain folks great notoriety and a huge fan base of would-be believers. The stories certainly garnered attention from event promoters as major attractions for the unsuspecting public. Only time will prove the reality.
Some Ufologists and experiencers that have been around long before the term are puzzled by the ‘new’ information shared through various channels on social media as much of it has been ‘revealed’ through many presenters and vendors at UFO expos for decades. The numbers in those groups are obviously small in comparison, so with recent main stream media sources picking up the ball our hopes for better coverage are at least partially fulfilled.
The nuts and bolts side of Ufology has to do, for the most part, with historical events, documents, meetings, photos, videos and evidence of extraterrestrial craft or technology. Those elements are a critical part of ufology in bringing the information to the public. Why? Hopefully for the public good. What would the optimal results be if there were full or even partial disclosure? What would desired Ufology updates look like?
There is still another aspect of within the field, non-competitive in perspective, that has evolved over time and with progression of extended contact of a largely non-physical variety.
There is another side to the story that is both ambiguous and incommensurate; the subjective experiences of folks claiming contact or engagement by non-human or extraterrestrial intelligence. It is a grey area for sure. Depending on the lens we view it through, it can be seen as incredulous or incredible. We need data, right? Studies have been made. Both FREE and MUFON have engaged the inquiry of experiencers.
Data from experiencers is different than the nuts and bolts side of Ufology. It’s the soft side mentioned previously, full of subjective accounts. Those accounts range from emotionally-laden fear-based descriptions of encounters to the more objective and fearless descriptions of self-aware and perhaps even participatory engagement. Discernment is important.
Some of the more hard approach public figures who’ve been steeped in conspiracy, government disclosure, exploration of evidence and material sciences have a real challenge with the soft approach. They are hard pressed to acknowledge the experiential side as there is no knowledge base or direct experience for them to relate. A recent interview and honest response regarding a very prominent figure who has emerged in the experiencer field.
The historical perspective of experiencers and their accounts goes back decades in present times and perhaps millennia in regards to ancient texts. The latter offers descriptions based on the common language and philosophies of the time. Today we can review many of these accounts and find incredible similarities across the centuries. Proof of dominance and control is sorely lacking, yet fear-based thinking still keeps many in the dark.
Most recently, the cross-referencing of experiential information and the notion of the evolution of consciousness have become more interesting to Ufologists. The notion of applied quantum physics in relation to the aspect of awareness and, in a large sense, creating reality unconsciously seems to be of great concern. Nearly every aspect of communication from non-human or extraterrestrial intelligence (for lack of better descriptors) leans toward a rise of consciousness.
What does that rise of consciousness mean? Perhaps it is as simple as becoming self-aware, managing our thoughts and feelings in positive ways. Perhaps it is the notion that all things are connected and we affect reality by our baseline energy, the attitude we carry with us. Perhaps it extends to our community and world in respect to the environment and effective planetary administration, managing resources so the all people can be cared for and nurtured.
There are still concerns among experiencers, though. Not everyone perceives their experiences as benign or benevolent. Extended play, the long-term experiencers, do tend to change their point of view over time, from a less than desirable experience to one of understanding a larger picture and the overcoming of their fears was more important. Confronting incongruous notions might be the next phase of creating better baseline knowledge.
Ufology Updates – 2019 Year in Review
We participated in a large panel discussion recently, embedded below, that reviewed the year’s greatest changes and/or events in Ufology, a kind of Ufology update. Certainly the ‘leaked’ released Navy videos of Unidentified Arial Phenomena (UAP) brought the light of day into a dark room. Michio Kaku’s interview with Jaime Maussan included the considerations of advanced civilizations beyond the burden of proof now being on the governments, to prove the UAPs aren’t extraterrestrial.
Spyros brings up his video (alien autopsy) and the massive hoax created by it, noting how gullible the public is still, and how falsified information is so easily introduced and accepted by the public (even some Ufologists) as being true. We’ve got a long way to go to find ways of vetting information that are consistent and uniform. It may take quite some time for that to happen, but it would be a necessary component of establishing some kind of unified front in Ufology.
We all want Disclosure, right? How do we want it? Our governments, military and leaders are tasked with keeping us safe. NOTHING that even comes close to threatening our safety will ever be fully revealed to the public. The public’s opinion may vary as to how disclosure is best, through intelligent conversation regarding it doesn’t seem to be consistent. The reality is the public is, at best, squeamish when it comes to the appearance of the unknown let alone engaging it. We’re thinking in human and mostly fear-based terms.
Storming Area 51 became a fad overnight, with thousands of people showing up for the event. Did they really expect to storm Area 51? It seems doubtful, but it did give folks a chance to party in the desert. We all need a good party to move things forward. The number of foreign press that covered the event also brought the topic to the world, not just the US. We might anticipate a broader range of coverage as the events develop, though it still seems to be largely focused on the nuts and bolts side of Ufology.
Our concern here at UfologyPRSS is that by all indications and protocols for establishing movements, it starts with a unified front with individuals and organizations aligning with basic components or elements of a theme or even manifesto. There are a number of documents and organizations, but they largely seem autonomous and unwilling to collaborate, though some do.
What will it take for Ufologists to find common ground? Will the field be able to have some kind of harmonic convergence between the hard and soft components of the phenomena and, if so, how will it occur? Something to begin considering, in our opinion. Stay tuned for more Ufology Updates…
A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it! 1,500 years ago, everybody knew that the Earth was the center of the universe. 500 years ago, everybody knew that the Earth was flat. And 15 minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you’ll know tomorrow. ~ Agent K
Contact in the Desert is growing into a premier Ufology event drawing thousands from around the world. When I first arrived on site in 2013 and ran into Paul Andrews, I was surprised. Then I decided to rekindle an association that started back in 1998. Paul had invited me to come work for him in LA, just off Venice Beach.
I had spectacular results in running The Prophets Conference in Phoenix the previous October. The only bummer was Cody and Robyn Johnson split town without paying me or Jim Dilettoso (right), who had recommended me to them. We did get something later, but then I had to pay the local waste management and generator folks. It was a sad situation and no one suspected the Axiom Group of such behaviors.
Paul and I didn’t work out at the time back then, but it was good to see he had teamed up with Victoria to produce Contact in the Desert. It was a spectacular showing although at the worst time of year for most folks, especially the elderly. It took two years to move it to May and even this last weekend was a bit too much for many. I ran into a elderly woman using a walker who was obviously determined to be there, but had a heck of time in the heat. Perhaps moving it to a different meteor shower period – Lyrids Meteor Shower – might do, April 22-23 with a full moon on April 22.
Speaking of Victoria, Paul’s event partner, she even got into the act of sharing her experiences and understanding on one of the panels in the amphitheater. It was really great to see one of the event coordinators reveal their story. I’m sure the DVD is available through the Contact in the Desert website. All the presentations will be available soon. Ask around and get your favorites. I think you can get the whole package for around $100.
I love getting into the thick of things, consistent with my given name, Bruce (means ‘dweller of the thicket), and volunteered as an A/V runner delivering the master copies of DVDs to the duplication station just outside the Sanctuary, the main speaker location. I ran into many folks I’ve known for years and met some new folks as well, like John Anthony West.
Of course there were some challenges with the event. When you have a first-some, first-served entrance into the main events it can be a challenge to get in and/or have a decent seat. There were viewing areas outdoors as well that were packed, too. With folks like Erich Von Daniken, Giorgio Tsoukalos, Jimmy Church and George Noory present there is always a crowd around them. Even at 80 (Erich had a birthday over the weekend) he still stands and delivers with a rapid-fire onset of details and facts from years of experience.
Speaking of experience, Grant Cameron and I had a wonderful, albeit short, chat on Sunday and he requested a copy of Zendor the Contrarian, so I’m waiting with baited breath for the review. Grant is one of the most observant and reflective of the cadre of Ufologists. He’s a bit like Richard Dolan, who thought I must be tagged upon our initial meeting in Phoenix some years ago. The difference is Grant spends much less time on conspiracy as he looks for the threads of commonality in experiencers and evidence of a larger perspective of Communion amongst humanity and our visitors, entering a new state of consciousness.
The Experiencer Gatherings, hosted by Alan Steinfeld and Barbara Jean Lindsey on Friday and Barbara on Sunday were especially dear to my heart. Many folks come to find corroboration and validation in their experiences, even solace in the fact that they are not alone and their concerns are heard. Each has their own interpretation and understanding depending on their level of consciousness and observation capacity. What seemed to be stressed the most through the sharings was to not be afraid and embrace the energy instead of trying to fight it.
Now that doesn’t mean complete surrender to that which you might feel dangerous. It was mentioned that although one may not be prepared, the process of evolution – coming to terms with the cosmic consciousness condensed into form – is tantamount to rising above the fear, guilt and shame game that inhibits the sense of Oneness that more advanced experiencers acknowledge. The sense of open-heartedness in the meetings was obvious in how folks treated one another, too.
The attendance for the event has grown by leaps and bounds, with parking strewn across the 17-acre grounds. I’m not sure of the exact attendance, but it seemed around a couple thousand. We had around five thousand come through at the Prophets Conference in 1997. Event attendance in general is down from years past, but it’s beginning to climb again. The contrast of being in the open-air instead of hotel or resort environments is refreshing, kinda of a Burning Man rendition of Ufology.
Walking around the grounds at night revealed many small groupings of folks enjoy each others company, perhaps for the first time. An observer could easily recognize the exuberance and childlike spontaneity of experiencers all across the event grounds. There were some real serious types that often find it difficult to be happy, but the majority of folks by far enjoyed the weekend of Contact in the Desert.
In view but not a big topic of discussion was the presence of FREE via posters Rey Hernandez left with me from the International UFO Congress in February. I’m already looking forward to next year. Thanks to Paul and Victoria and all the staff and volunteers who made this event a memorable one for thousands. In only its third year it is promising to be one of the largest gatherings in the world now. If you considered going this year, but didn’t, I’d make sure to get your ticket early next year.
We also invite you to find and visit the Rose Cottage in the evenings for some conversation and comaraderie. You’ll meet some of the most interesting folks in a much more intimate environment. Our small group of diverse and unique travelers will welcome you with style and grace. Look forward to seeing you there!
This year’s gathering included Ron James and Steven Bassett. Ron and I had met several years ago when he owned Dream Theater in the Village of Oak Creek, just outside Sedona. An old friend, Swami Beyondananda, was doing a show there. Ron runs a magnificent network called iVolveTV that features material you just have to explore. He also produced the Citizens Hearing DVDs.
Btw, we’re looking for more authors for UfologyPRSS. If you’d like to contribute, please sent us an email with your contact information and reason for wanting to be a contributor, plus a writing sample or link to something of yours online.
Now in its third year amidst the desert background in the Joshua Tree area, Contact in the Desert is moving the the end of May. Patrons are getting their wish as the previous August dates, even with the Perseid meteor showers, was challenging to heat-sensitive folks. It’s a beautiful venue, though.
Joshua Tree Retreat Center is the oldest and largest retreat center in the Western United States; a unique architectural landmark on a sacred site. Their mission is to support the education and nourishment of the infinite human potential. The atmosphere is certainly conducive, especially with the new dates for the 2015 Contact in the Desert event.
New Date: May 29 – 31
This year will bring many of the same speakers and vendors as the previous years. The event grew tremendously from 2012 to 2013 and this year is anticipated to be even larger. The schedule has not been released as of yet, but it is anticipated within by the end of January. If you are going to stay onsite, it would be a good idea to get your accommodates soon as they will fill up quickly.
There are some hotels in the area, but none within a reasonable walking distance from the event site at 59700 Twentynine Palms Highway, Joshua Tree, CA 92252. Weekend conference passes have included meals at the onsite cafeteria. The staff and volunteers are helpful and ut in a lot of hard work to make this event a success. Keep an eye on the Contact in the Desert website for updated information to appear soon.
There are several gathering places onsite as well, for meet and greets and general conversation. The Rose Cottage will also host after-hours gatherings for patrons and special guests attending the conference as well. Our UfologyPRSS curator will be attending, too.
There have been contests for free tickets in the past, so hopefully this year will be no different. We’ll keep you updated as things progress. Make sure you sign up for our newsletter. Look forward to seeing you there.
The second Contact in the Desert event at the Joshua Tree Retreat Center was held this last weekend. Attendance grew to well over a thousand people in spite of the sweltering heat. When asked about possible date changes the event organizer, Paul Andrews, stated that the reason Perseid Meteor showers are most visible then. I’m not quite sure what that has to do with ‘contact’ but suffice it to say the dates will probably remain the same for next year.
Speakers presented on a varied of topics and you can research that on the Contact website.Since I know most of the presenters and am very familiar with their work, I spent most of my time among the participants to get a feel for the ‘common man’s’ observations and reflections on the subject at hand. From the queries I made, there is a vast array of perspectives and revelations (so to speak) being promoted, but not much is being done to query the crowd or seek out the experiences of real contactees. There is a lot of talk about consciousness, but no opportunities ti explore aside from the limited number of devices provided by a few of the vendors.
There was a surprise visit by one of the wayshowers of the consciousness movement, Barbara Marx-Hubbard, who happened to walk in and sit a few feet away, just before a small cadre of folks gathered around her for a short discussion. it was obvious that she was unfamiliar with advanced non-human intelligence, but she spoke of the need for a collective gathering around the possibility of open communication. Later in another short chat she mentioned spoke of a woman who had a large following in Canada and claimed to be a mouthpiece for the universal feminine principle many, many years ago and she thought it was a cult. The individual was part of a mass abduction in 1973.
The point regarding the latter is that expanded or cosmic consciousness can present itself through a variety of forms and sources, from crop circles to ‘channels’ that perform specific tasks for communicating information humans may not quite understand yet. I found it interesting the Ms. Hubbard could not see the significance of her own cult, but it was not my job to propose that view. Regardless, the worlds are bridging and the fact that she was at this event shows that walls are coming down and people are beginning to recognize the significance of non-human interactions. Many of the attendees I spoke with reflected the same and were frustrated that more focus is not on the communications that have been taking place.
In all fairness the groups that were assembled for the purpose of sharing experiences were littered with stories that would have taken a master coagulator to find the common thread in them. Most of them were related from a very human-centered and fear-based perspective. The obvious reflection was we fear what we do not understand and the interpretation of experiences is through a very linear lens. More experienced contactees argue the point that no fear is necessary and our view through that lens is extremely skewed and simply incorrect. The simple notion that everyone I spoke to agreed upon was that we are cosmic consciousness condensed into form becoming aware of the fact.
The expansion of that simple notion spans myriad places, spaces and realms of consciousness across the entire electromagnetic spectrum. The scientific discoveries that back up the notion of multiple dimensions and attending bodies (part of our multidimensional self) are beginning to bleed over from astrophysics and quantum physics. Questions and theories viewed through linear lenses seem to skew the view intended by the above-human intelligence. There seems to be a general consensus, though, that non-linear and non-local experience is necessary in order to have a better view of the big picture, incapable of being seen let alone understood by those who have not entered the non-linear and/or non-local worlds of consciousness. We need ways to create opportunities, safely, for folks to have experiences. We also need to have better conversations about them
In an effort to continue the growth of UfologyPRSS Blog I reached out to several noted authorities and old friends and invited them to write for us. Many agreed to provide material and to review existing material, written and video, that is on the Web at time. We’ve assembled a huge variety of feeds from around the world and many seem to have conflicting stories or present skewed views through very human lenses. We hope these new additions will help to develop better discernment tools for the material. Not everyone has a pure agenda for getting at the truth and whenever profits are involved you can be sure there will be controversy and withholding of truth. Our job is to share what we find.
In the future we look for open conversations that focus on the development of situational protocols that include tools to discern how the experiencer is interpreting their experience in order to get a more objective and clear perspective or the purpose. Apparently information from trusted sources indicates that human ‘spiritual’ awareness still isn’t congruent with cosmic consciousness (soul) in that we think we have a choice in our experiential timeline. Abductees complain about being taken against their will but give no credence to the possibility that there is another timeline they have no knowledge of, one they agree to participate in before incarnating here on Earth.