Kosta Makreas – Founder, ET Let’s Talk & The People’s Disclosure Movement
interviewed by your curator, Zen Benefiel for One World in a New World
And now for something completely different… with an invitation to engage Star Family visitors further through ET Let’s Talk.
We’ve been diving deep into the lives of those in the trenches in business, organizational development and systems transformation in a variety of ways. This conversation moves to a whole different world of experience, invitation and planetary advancement.
Kosta Makreas brings a new dimension to the conversations, perhaps in some ways apocalyptic to our audience, from having a professional career in software engineering to interacting with Star People. ET Let’s Talk is a collection of people from around the world, some hosting CE-5 events, that gather for the specific purpose of human initiated contact.
As two Hoosiers reuniting, we launch into some familiar territory for us. Both of us have been active in Ufology for decades, though Kosta has taken a front seat, so to speak, with his efforts to build, organize and support a vast network of folks who want to make contact with Star People, which is their preferred nomenclature according to Kosta.
What may seem odd or peculiar or even scary to some has been lifelong experiences for others. Kosta shares how his interest began as a youth and the challenges he faced growing up in a period when it wasn’t too popular to talk about engaging aliens, let alone calling them Star People. His shares a synchronistic experience his wife had while he was away on a CE-5 week-long campout.
If you haven’t heard the term, CE-5 refers to human initiated contact with Star People. Kosta’s work began with Steven Greer and quickly evolved to developing contact groups around the world on his own. ET Let’s Talk and The People’s Disclosure Movement has been growing for several years now.
Our chat moves into discussing the People’s Disclosure Movement, taking the notion of disclosure and putting it in the hands of the people instead of governments that have not been able to announce their knowledge.
Research and study is always necessary, and Kosta mentions a study that includes over 4,000 accounts from around the world. It was performed by an organization called FREE, under the title of Beyond UFOs – The Science of Consciousness and Contact with Non Human Intelligence.
We discuss Kosta’s work with ET Let’s Talk (https://etletstalk.com) and the numbers of people involved. You might be surprise, though perhaps not.
If your curiosity is sparked, you’ll enjoy the conversation for sure. We only scratch the surface of the work and how it affects those involved. For decades it wasn’t popular to speak up or out about this topic and now folks seem to be flocking toward their own discovery and engagement.
Make sure to check out the description below the video for more information and links.
Looking back now, there is so much more beyond what we thought was happening on this fateful day, some things we still may not understand yet. The reality is there was more than just the planes that struck the towers, regardless of who planned and/or executed the people.
The above video was sent to me by Rudolph Bosniak, from Herzegovina, a few days afterward. It’s had so much counter-intuitive responses of being a fly or a bird or something other than what it truly appears to be if one takes off the rose-colored glasses and just observes. It happens in only a few seconds, a UAP/UFO spirals out of ‘nowhere,’ flies in between that towers at the moment of impact of the second plane, then disappears in the same spiraling fashion.
This event brought the shift in American citizenry that had been long-planned, from what we’ve been able to gather since. The care and compassion for others was countered by a systematic counter-intelligence program that manipulated the entire world into a prescribed path crafted by a few who had the ways and means to challenge the status quo with immeasurable effect. The world changed in just a few days and the ‘war on terror’ got its budget increase.
Now for Something Completely Different
In a canyon in Pacific Palisades began another story simultaneously, perhaps a gift from Las Pulgas. My first introduction to the canyon was just before going to Chile for a month. Upon my return I took up residence there and, a few weeks later we put on an event called Gaia-Fest, termed Love Fest in the local paper the following week.
On this fateful morning, though, I was awakened rather harshly with a flow of imagery that was astounding. Hundreds of symbols, ancient and both recognizable and unrecognizable as they seemed, flowed in a torrent of imagery for a few moments before I could even open my eyes. I was locked in the view; mesmerizing to say the least. I had no idea what was happening on the other side of the country.
My ‘bedroom’ was a large cement slab left over from a previous highway department building, the third tier of what was now a private residence below. The 37-acre canyon was just south of Sunset Boulevard off the Pacific Coast Highway. I slept on an air mattress with a sleeping bag and pillow that was perfect for the time of year; sounds of frogs, crickets and the surf as my nightly lullaby and the screech of hawks and ravens my alarm clock. It was paradise.
I suppose the torrent lasted only a couple of minutes or less, though seemed a very long time in viewing, yet a blink when the liminal space becomes present in consciousness. In that liminal space, worlds merge for moments of ineffable details and delivery. I’d had some practice at just being still and observing when these things happen. Thinking yanks one out of the experience, usually, and the awe of the view left no desire to think; just to observe.
I’d seen some pretty wild stuff in my life’s tenure to date, yet nothing like this as it had the sense of extreme importance for some kind of purpose. It just felt deeply significant, beyond anything I’d experienced. After the flow subsided, I laid there for several more minutes wondering why and what they meant. I heard others beginning to stir with unusual fervor.
I got up to walk down to the house to inquire of their morning so far. The house had a converted office in the storage area below the glass enclosed area that looked down the drive to the ocean. On the way, a woman who was living in a small trailer on a lower tier was frantically preparing to leave, upset and frightened. I asked her what was happening.
She informed me that a passenger plane had struck one of the Twin Towers and perhaps we were under attack. In the few moments I just listened without attachment. Her fear was out of control and she could barely speak through her emotionally traumatized personal state of being. I got enough to realize something very wrong was happening.
Images appearing for what reason?
I walked on down to our makeshift office and as I opened the door, the phone rang. It was a friend who was up and watching the news. As soon as I answered she had no hesitation, and was also frantic in her fear, in telling me to turn on the radio and TV to see the events unfolding. The second plane had just struck the other tower minutes before her call. I did neither as requested. There was no impulse to do so.
She told me she was on her way to see her best friend, a FOX newscaster, to find out more. I thanked her for the call, encouraged her to be safe and trust that everything would all work out. Something inside me felt that listen to radio or watching TV was not the path for me today. In this moment I felt detached and dynamically focused on something much deeper. I soon knew why.
Strangely, my emotions weren’t affected. I was completely still and unaffected by the events. In that stillness came the prompting to wake the others in the house, three roommates that shared it. I left the office and went to the front door a few feet away. As it turned out only one and his girlfriend where there, though they were the most metaphysically inclined of the group.
We stood outside, as it was an absolutely gorgeous southern California morning. Before I could explain my impressions as to what to do, another guy who’d been sleeping on a lower tier of the old remnants walked up with an intensely inquisitive look. He’d heard my earlier discussion with the woman. He, too, felt there was something for us to do beyond the normal responses.
The Pitch for Possibility
In a flash, the impression to open a portal for the ‘dead’ to ascend was replete with methodology and opportunity. I shared with the three that I had no idea if this would work or not, though the notion was to gather in prayer and offer our service in collaboration with a portal I had opened in the back of the canyon before traveling to Chile in late June.
Now, I’m sure you are wondering, “What portal?” I’d opened it to help two trapped spirits leave. Lyndsey Wagoner had lived in the house prior and was well aware of their presence. A couple had been murdered in the house decades ago, and had never left. She’d tried multiple methods to no avail and finally invited our host to take over the rental. He’d built a number of pieces of furniture for her over the years and seemed the ‘right’ one to offer the opportunity.
Explaining the entire process would diminish the purpose of this writing, though you can read more about it here. Suffice it to say that there was a perfect string of events that facilitated the opportunity we were presented with on this day in history. Our story wasn’t widely known, nor did we talk about it a lot. It was so mysterious and expressive of phenomena that none of us truly understood well enough to articulate its understanding beyond a cursory level.
The Process of Perception
I’m sure droves of folks have attempted to explain events that happen in what many refer to as the ‘liminal’ space between dimensions or even the non-linear or non-local events most, if not all, experiencers of interdimensional communication reflect as ineffable. How do we make the ineffable effable? What reflects sensemaking in such situations?
In this case, there are at least two obviously connected events. One, the entrance and exit of what appears to be a hyperdimensional craft moving in and out of ‘somewhere else.’ Although we watch and pretend to explore the possibilities of the materialist views, we know there is much more interconnectedness in the event. We have to admit we simply do not know, though we do know there is an answer ‘somewhere.’
In just comparing the two ‘narratives’ there is a cross-over of purpose, perhaps. We know that ETs are not a danger, though they may indeed be so much more functional in the realms beyond the physical that we can hardly surmise. One such possibility is the suspension of trauma and/or transition as ‘volunteers’ for such a seemingly horrific act. We don’t have video of the first plane so there is no way to know if a similar event took place as well.
Knowing a more expanded view of reality and the capacity for interaction within it, there could possibly be a joint effort that spans that liminal realm and creates a collaborative action across space and time. Perhaps the ‘volunteers’ were whisked away at the moment of impact and into a suspended space, just waiting for the ground crew to take actions like the canyon performance.
The Canyon Performance – Just Flies on the Wall
The previously mentioned portal was in the back of the canyon, about a quarter-mile walk from the house. It was about 6:30 when we departed to the portal. On the way, we all remained fairly quiet and in reverence for what we perceived to be a sacred duty we were called to perform. There was a deep sense of commitment to truth, to service and to the unknown results being just perfect.
Arriving at the spot, we sat in a circle, held hands and I began to invoke the many worlds with a prayerful beseeching of their help for our intended purpose. The purpose was to simply assist in the flow of the transition of souls from this world to the next with as little trauma as possible. Our attention was on returning them to Source after such a valiant mission. We never considered the event not to be their choice and destiny, even though it may not have been in their conscious awareness.
Events happen with people who have previously volunteer and/or were directed from an inner truth looking place few know exists. We know there are other realms; just not experienceable to the major of humans at this time. This may change in the very near future as we move further into the Age of Aquarius. There appears to be a lot of new science that is also validating this, including a Russian Academian’s dissertation from April of 2020.
After calling on all the kingdoms, from the elemental to the cosmic alliances, and impeccably timed I suddenly had a different point of view, even with my eyes closed. I was perhaps 100 feet above our location, slightly to the side and observing our circle of four, hand-in-hand with eyes closed, I could see a brilliant shaft of light within our circle and watched as it expanded around us. Then I found myself looking from perhaps several miles up as I could see southern California, Arizona and Nevada from my vantage point.
I went higher in a nanosecond and saw the entire northern continent. I witnessed another shaft of light that began on the east coast, arched over the country, and connected with the shaft of light engulfing us, just above our physical bodies. There was a distinct flow from the east to the shaft and up into the cosmos. It was such an awe-inspiring view. The notion of some sci-fi moving revealing the exquisitely crafted visuals were nothing in comparison to the direct experience of this event. Still, it wasn’t about any of us. It was about surrendering to service.
As I watched, the arc of light expanded to engulf the entire planet for a few seconds, then returned to the arc shape and, finally, was absorbed into the shaft and disappeared. I knew as I was watching that my body, along with the others, was still in the intentional state of surrender to All That Is and the functionality of what needed to happen beyond any of our imaginations. The shaft remained for a few moments and then my attention was suddenly back in my body.
Even writing about it now brings back the sense of the sublime and surreal activity and experience we all had that day. There was more, though this portion may already be too much to digest. It wasn’t just the experience of one, it was a shared experience. That is profound in the sense of sensibility and sensemaking. It is my sense we are capable of so much more, though it is facilitated through vulnerability and willingness, not sheer will as many might think.
Now, the potential of the interaction may have been a sequenced suspension of their (volunteers) travels for just a few moments. In that space, time disappears during the first few hours and perhaps days for some during normal transitions. I’ve had enough discussions with those who’ve passed to know there are many aspects of the transition we cannot fathom, yet do occur. It’s not too far fetched to perceive the potential presented in ‘What Dreams May Come’ that starred Robin Williams.
Truth truly is stranger than fiction in this case. I happened to be a participant and yet able to articulate at least a partial observation of the process and its results. Apparently we were successful and ‘someone’ else was watching, too. I wish I still had the copy of the channeling that went around the web a few weeks later, describing exactly what we had done and the location (canyon in California reference but no name) from which it was done.
I’m not anyone special, though my experience is unique and weird. It started with a voice inside, advanced to trips to an orange cigar-shaped cloud a few years later and culminated in an NDE in college that presented a profound path to follow; it was like a conversation with ‘God,’ beginning with the mention of helping to facilitate a ‘new world order’ in my lifetime. Well, that’s enough to turn folks off right away.
A few years ago I had the opportunity to discuss what that [new world order] really means from my perspective and understanding. I was invited by Dr. Jeffery Mishlove, an honor and 28-year process of completion. I was hosting a new show, One World, back in 1990 and hoped someday I’d be worthy of an interview with one of the icons I hoped to emulate, Bill Moyers or Jeffrey Mishlove.
This has been a focus of my attention for over 40 years, sometimes obsessively so, attempting to correlate my experiences and others across the spectrum in order to understand my own form, fit and function in the world. I haven’t found any conversations with ‘God’ that dives as deep as the journey I’ve been on for most of my life. It’s a crazy one, though I wouldn’t change a thing.
From what I can tell, it isn’t a simulation; it is a collective experience, individuated to the extent of choice and free will, though the ‘holistic system’ (people and planet) is driven by the collective awareness, the planetary consciousness. Right now, obviously, the collective human level is low and it enjoys a fear-based reality for the most part; a dystopian reality of some sort most are afraid is coming to fruition.
Old Paradigms Need Shifting for a New Order to Emerge
Belief and projection aren’t all that different, imho, producing undesirable results around the world today. Most of it is still unconscious participation. It seems we’ve nearly lost our compassion and kindness toward each other from fear of infection, perceived differences and the narrative that’s indoctrinated a huge part of our society through the dominance of corporations and governments.
As with any statistical curve, the standard deviations are likely to apply, resulting in some with growing self-awareness that has led to awareness of a greater reality and some, not so much. Even though conversations about consciousness and non-human intelligence interacting have begun, we still tend to carry bias, imho, and it gets in the way of open communication. We’re rather attached to our own POV, not realizing it may be the same as another’s only the language is different so it is misunderstood.
Here’s an example:
Wilbert Smith’s book, The New Science, sheds some light on ‘their’ view of things. ‘Their’ meaning people from elsewhere. Apparently we do not understand ‘nothingness’ as a primary factor in the manifestation of everything, and that the materialization has to do with ‘spin’ design (an intelligence beyond our current understanding) that begins in a single point (Iikely of consciousness). In our history, some would have thought his experience was a conversation with God.
The level of interaction across inner and outer realms is astronomical when one considers the conversation with God to include creation itself; if we could only perceive it better. I shared that perspective in a recent video, from an ‘aha’ moment triggered by considering Smith’s information and how it validated some things for me. That is the notion that the point of light referenced above could also contain another aspect we missed. Through experiences of being in the ‘light’ and in the ‘void’ the sensations were nearly identical, individuated yet connected to everything somehow.
I don’t know, though I get the sense that we’re designed to become aware of it all as part of our evolution of consciousness, including the mind/brain interface, for lack of a better. We’ve got the equipment on board, in our brain/body/spirit/soul complex (from RA material model), and perhaps it is a matter of where we are looking to or from; dismantling with intellect or assembling through experience and observation, what Lex Neale’s diagram calls the Self-Aware Witness. Pretty cool stuff…
There is a fascinating book, The New Science, which is the memoirs of Wilbert Smith. Smith ran Canada’s UFO investigation program, Project Magnet, in the 1950s. The material was discovered and published after his death in 1962. It’s groundbreaking still, with references to conversations with ‘people from elsewhere.’
I’m not an astrophysicist, but the idea of a ‘nothingness’ like Smith speaks of resembles the notion of the Void… from which all things come, or so we believe. This idea of nothingness is surely not understood because we really don’t have the language to describe it, yet if there are repeating patterns, fractals, in creation perhaps this is one that requires a spin around Self.
The entrance and exit within the door to the void within us, inside the tiny point of light of our soul consciousness, may reflect this same notion on a much smaller scale. We’re sorely lacking in our understanding of physics already, developing equations to account for anomalies instead of seeing the universe as anomaly-free and equating it.
We interpret the light from stars with our existing understanding, which may not be so understanding of the myriad of life forms and their location. We think we have ‘something’ and no longer question its validity, yet Smith notes that ‘people from elsewhere’ have a much different understanding of the nature of creation, and ours is in at least slight error.
Given that spin around self, and the assumption that Smith wasn’t fibbing, our questions for discovery may not have developed enough yet to fully comprehend what those structures we think are black holes really are and how they function. Seeing things at a distance makes it almost impossible to fully grok, imho. What is up close now?
Are you aware that you are aware of your awareness at any given moment? Are you able to observe yourself deeply, question your behaviors, beliefs and bewilderment of them at times? Do you have moments of reflection that seem to evade the notion of time?
There’s been more than one time I’ve been sucked into some kind of ‘tube’ that feels like a conduit of travel. It began with out-of-body experiences as a youth, then progressed to traveling elsewhere, though I never really knew where. There was a sense of movement, though.
I don’t know if it is inner space, outer space or a combination. The difference is having my eyes closed as I explored, initially believing it to be my imagination. It would seem that, all things functioning as ONE, that the combination is probably true. Experiencers (those explores of non-human contact), at some point, seem to corroborate such ‘trips,’ although descriptions are slightly different.
I agree that the form doesn’t have much to do with it, and yet consciousness needs to have some form of manifestation for interaction to take place. I was shown as a teen that our point of light (the anchor of life within us) can give access to infinite intelligence. For some time we’ve been experiencing a variety of mechanisms and styles of contact, not to mention various life forms. As this process continues, perhaps we realize we missed the idea of ‘nothing’ that is the foundation of everything.
Pick Up the Phone, Please!
We receive communication in ways we can understand it, for the most part, and it’s usually subjective and unique to the individual; a real spin around Self. I still think there are patterns we’re not seeing yet. Perhaps we weren’t ready to until recently where the spike in awareness, or the culmination of the calendars indicating an evolutionary leap is about ready to take place, has us at least looking for something more.
Perhaps there is a primer, an igniter, that unlocks our understanding and increases our ability to manifest appropriately from our nature instead of our intellect and science. The latter will catch up in time. We’ve spent most of our time in destructive testing to figure out the makings of the universe. What about constructive testing, inquiry into the natural state as it is, not what we believe it to be. Many relate that is the first step; to just BE… empty with inquiry.
I’ll use the Urantia Book as a reference that at least offers the notion of considering a plethora of types of beings and responsibilities in universe administration. The book is esoteric, compiled and presented by an intelligence or collection of intelligences in an effort to share a greater reality. Like everything ‘from elsewhere,’ out tendency is to attempt to fit the data/information into models we’re familiar.
Neppe and Close, with their Quantum Theory of Everything (Triadic Dimensional-Distinction Vortical Paradigm) say that consciousness, time and space are tethered across 9 dimensions. Smith says the ‘people from elsewhere’ relate that the tempic, magnetic and electric fields in the Quadrature Concept span 12 dimensions, all in the spin around Self, a point of observation.
It seems consciousness is capable of experiencing all the above and the bridge between body/mind/spirit/soul is just now appearing. Or perhaps it’s been there all along and we’re just now able to conceive of it, explore it and ruminate without the fear of persecution or rejection. It’s obvious we need to evolve toward something better, something greater, for humanity.
What’s it all mean for us in a practical sense? I’m not sure, though I get the sense ‘we/they’ are trying to get us to understand that from ‘nothing’ everything emerged in perfect order; there is an order to nature and the cosmos we haven’t understood as natural order, which indicates a natural order in human experience and understanding as well.
We approach it from destructive testing, like CERN, where perhaps an approach from another direction is more appropriate; a simple change in perception that includes consciousness in the equation. I think we’re off to a good start, a silver lining in the Great Reset, perhaps a Great Weset instead, with an upwising in our wise-cracking and scoffing at things we don’t understand.
Coming out of an ‘old’ normal and transforming into a ‘new’ normal might include a deeper check-in. The obsession on self-hygiene and sequestration opened the door to explore self (our persona) and Self (our Being) in perspective. Ponder your future well in your new spin around Self. Ponder the twist on the pronoun craze going on now and consider these… I Am / We Are.
I look for congruence and confluence, similarities across fields of experience/study that seem coherent. I’m still in process. 😉 I feel bereft of understanding at times, meaning the ability to relate it simply, even with what I know. I love that quote from Einstein about being able to explain things simply. I’ll make an attempt, at least and I appreciate the question.
In 1989, at 31, I was introduced to the Multi-plane Awareness Technique developed by William Swygard in the 1950s. It’s based on 12 planes of consciousness/dimensions, beginning with the 3rd and moving up to and through the 12th. The 12 are associated with the physical body’s capacity, though there are more beyond it. In 2018, at 61, I was introduced to the Triadic Dimensional-Distinction Vortical Paradigm of Drs. Close and Neppe (published in 2010), which presents the notion of consciousness, time and space being tethered across 9 dimensions, with more dimensions beyond.
It seems that these planes might be associated with traditional planes of consciousness, though I get the sense they are somehow integral in the holistic picture; planes and dimensions, like space and time, have consistency. We tend to quibble over boundaries and definitions. That being said, there seems to be a kind of ‘bandwidth’ or frequency range on each and a level of cosmic consciousness associated with it, including a body of some form and not necessarily human. We learn the basics of harmony in body and, upon transcendence, carry on elsewhere when we are ready, the result of the symbiosis in the work of self-actualization and self-realization. The latter often takes lifetimes to achieve any notion of congruence and confluence.
Observation and Obfuscation
The observer in me witnessed a series of layers with a thicker spot in between, at least that is how is felt, as I ascended. Integration on each level with the body/consciousness present was part of the process. The request for the body to appear brought a variety of forms as I continued, some even looking ETish, as many would define them, yet they were all a part of me, too. The purpose of the technique was to become aware of and integrate these various bodies through to and including the 12th plane. The 12th turned out to be pure light. I learned later that pretty much everyone experiences the 12th as white light.
From my NDE in 1975, I learned that we were cosmic consciousness condensed into form, by way of the experience of it upon return. I’d exited upon being asked if I was willing to die for what I believed in. Cosmic Consciousness was it, so I exited immediately upon saying, ‘Yes!” I went into the light and, upon asking if there was more, into an indigo space with points of light all around me (individuated consciousness). The ‘voice’ then gave me my marching orders and back I came. I wrote a piece called Messy Antics (searchable) years later.
So I have to assume that the points of light are actually beyond the layer of light (12th plane) that apparently surrounds our thoughtmosphere. That’s another discussion. However, in our thoughtmosphere (I like that term) we experience layers of incarnation. The secret is we ascend at the speed of surrender; seeking our perfected form, fit and function in the world. Now, how does that relate to the dimensional fields of play? Is there congruence and confluence?
I don’t know the full implications, but what I do know is that our capacity to achieve harmony among people and planet is the issue and spans the dimensional framework. Harmony doesn’t mean a blissful utopia, it means we work effectively with all we’ve been given to support life, all life. All the strife we have in the world comes from not doing that. Go figure…
It’s like we’re each a thread in the tapestry of life on Earth, every one of them necessary and perfect in the process of the evolution of a planetary civilization. It isn’t just personal, which is where the first part of the inner work has to be done; it’s collective, we have to learn to work together for the benefit of all. We’ve reached a point in our evolutionary path were access to other dimensions is happening in both directions, self-initiated.
Congruence and Confluence?
These methods of communication are being called ‘contact modalities’ by some, and include a variety of ways in which we interact with intelligences in the thoughtmosphere. I posit that some encounters with seeming ETs are actually discussions with another level of self-existence. That thought alone is mind boggling, so it doesn’t get much traction, yet. It’s at least worth considering, based on the exploration and models I’ve encountered.
There are obvious moral and ethical overtones that one learns over time as well. In our expression as physical beings, would cosmic consciousness not inspire particular behaviors? Ascending the frequency scale is even more strenuous because there are no fetters of the ego allowed. If/when it does show up, the cutting edge humor puts one in their place. Fear also has no place in the upper realms, though experiencers do have to face them. The higher levels of frequencies can get really intense.
It’s also a mechanism for recognizing ‘entities’ who communicate from there. No names or positions are necessary, let alone words, as the frequency warrants the trust. It is impossible for that frequency to be in any way malevolent. Like the Archons of old, they are either benign or beneficent. Of course, all of this is energy, permeating everything and responding to everything we feel and think. Learning how deeply we CAN feel and think is the adventure.
Perhaps the non-linear and non-local moments are the only way to get a taste of what is waiting without blowing circuits and confusing the heck out of everyone around you. I got blown open and had all kinds of questions after my NDE, at 18. Even with wise advice from a psychiatrist that informed me I’d gone through a spiritual awakening and that folks just wouldn’t understand, at 19, I didn’t keep my mouth shut and a serendipitous moment landed me on a psyche ward for a month and a half. Always the one to seize opportunity in chaos or crisis, there were some pretty smart people to talk with there, too.
I took the liberty of creating a couple of versions of the Multi-plane Awareness Technique. It was only given in-person and I don’t know of any other recordings. They are both on Youtube, one with Solfeggio frequencies and one without. I answered your question in a circuitous and perhaps convoluted way, though I hope some sense came through. Maybe you’ll find some congruence and confluence in your journey, too.