Matt Morgan, Debbie Ziegelmeyer, Trina Bivens and Chuck Zukowski.
This team is all about keeping it the family. For the past 26 years Chuck Zukowski has been researching and investigating the UFO/Paranormal phenomenon and for the past 10 years, he has worked with his sister, Debbie Ziegelmer, the current Missouri MUFON State Director. Between the two of them is a litany of events and excursions into the unknown. We should call them Z-squared.
In addition to their explorations as siblings, they are occasionally joined by the co-owners of Post Interactive, Inc., Trina Bivens and Matt Morgan. Since joining forces in 2009, Post Interactive has documented the work of Chuck and Debbie in a the series of UFOnut Episodes and occasionally step in to help on various investigation tasks when necessary. They look like they are definitely enjoying themselves.
Chuck approaches his investigations with an analytical understanding, making sure to address all human known possibilities before venturing into the non-human or paranormal aspects of the sightings. This approach ensures his investigations are more plausible and skeptic proof. Chuck has lectured on the Roswell incident, Animal Mutilations, and on other various UFO associated investigations. From time to time Chuck is asked to teach training seminars discussing his experience and investigation techniques.
Chuck and Debbie have contributed thousands of hours to the research and study of a variety of Ufology topics. It is unclear as to whether they’ve had their own experiences with off-planet intelligence or have simply chosen to keep it well under wraps. We thank them for their longstanding efforts in promoting conscientious investigations.
Trina and Matt, co-owners of Post Interactive (PI), produce the episodic video series for UFOnut and occasionally assist Chuck with investigations. They’ve been working with Chuck since 2009 after a random encounter at what came to be known as their Paranormal Starbucks. It’s always an adventure cutting away from their normal production work to assist Chuck and document his work.
I asked Chuck a few things and here’s his response:
What got you started in the field?
As long as I remember I’ve always been interested in Ufology. I lived in a small town, Safford, Arizona until I was nine years old. I vaguely remember before my family moved from Arizona to California, I had a UFO sighting. I saw strange lights hovering in the sky through my bedroom window. Because it was so long ago, I can’t guarantee what I remember actually happened or if I’m imagining it happened, but through my life talking with my mother and my aunt, her sister, they both had experiences when they were children in that area too! Did I see something as a child that pushed me into the realm Ufology? Only regression could tell, and I haven’t done that…. yet.
How do you see your work progressing over the years and what are the simple and profound things you’ve learned?
I actually see myself getting closer to finding convincing evidence. With every investigation I do, I locate another piece of the puzzle. Eventually I’ll have enough pieces to see the puzzle without completing it. As for what simple and profound things have I learned? That’s easy. The simple thing I’ve learned is; Life is bigger and more complex than the average person realizes and can comprehend. The profound thing I’ve learned is; We are not the only intelligent inhabitants on this planet!
No matter where you are, no matter what time of day it is, stop what you’re doing (if it’s safe) and take a moment to look around and absorb your environment, you may just see or experience something you can’t understand.
Check out their website and webisodes at UFONUT.
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